{"id":8634,"date":"2010-07-29T16:58:56","date_gmt":"2010-07-29T13:58:56","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/revistacioburi.ro\/?p=8634"},"modified":"2010-07-29T16:58:56","modified_gmt":"2010-07-29T13:58:56","slug":"juristu-lu-peste-astazi-denuntarea-pe-caz-concret","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/revistacioburi.ro\/revistacioburi\/2010\/07\/juristu-lu-peste-astazi-denuntarea-pe-caz-concret\/","title":{"rendered":"Juristu\u2019 lu\u2019 pe\u015fte. Ast\u0103zi, denun\u0163area. Pe caz concret."},"content":{"rendered":"<p>\u00a0\u00a0 Cel mai CEL al oric\u0103rui grup e IT-istul&#8230; Orice grup are un descurc\u0103re\u0163 de-\u0103sta care-\u0163i \u00eennoad\u0103 \u015fi-\u0163i deznoad\u0103 firele, aplica\u0163iile, \u00ee\u0163i pune la punct antiviru\u015fii&#8230; \u00cen fine, \u00ee\u0163i face scula s\u0103 arate un pic altfel dup\u0103 ce termin\u0103 cu ea. Mie, \u00een general, sentimentul \u0103sta &#8222;c\u0103 nu mai e ce era&#8221; nu \u00eemi pic\u0103 nicidecum de bine&#8230; A\u015fa-s eu,\u00a0 mai conservator \u015fi recalcitrant.<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0\u00a0 Ei bine, eu nu-s IT-ist. \u015ei, pe de o parte, \u00eei invidiez. C\u00e2nd \u00eei \u00eentreab\u0103 cineva ceva, s\u0103 fiu al naibii dac\u0103 n-am convingerea c\u0103 nimeni nu le ascult\u0103 perora\u0163iile dec\u00e2t dac\u0103 omul a \u00eenceput cu &#8222;B\u0103, io nu pot s\u0103 ajung, da&#8217; e simplu: tre&#8217; <strong><em><span style=\"text-decoration: underline;\">s\u0103 faci<\/span><\/em><\/strong> &#8230;.&#8221;. Alminteri to\u0163i dau din cap din polite\u0163e \u015fi p\u00e2ndesc momentul s\u0103 schimbe discu\u0163ia, linisti\u0163i c\u0103 &#8222;se rezolv\u0103&#8221;.<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0\u00a0 La mine e altfel. Mai ales cu trupe\u0163ii mei. M\u0103 \u00eentreab\u0103 c\u00e2te-o tr\u0103znaie, ascult\u0103 ce ascult\u0103 \u015fi \u00eencep s\u0103 m\u0103 contrazic\u0103: &#8222;Nu, aici nu-i a\u015fa!&#8221;&#8230; P\u0103i, m\u0103i frate, dac\u0103 tot \u015ftii cum e&#8230; de ce s\u0103 te mai \u00eencurc??? Dar contrazicerile continu\u0103, de dragul discu\u0163iei &#8211; firesc, \u00een compania clinchetului de pahare (vinul bate berea!).<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0\u00a0 Cea mai tare faz\u0103 de breasl\u0103 e c\u00e2nd apare c\u00e2te o \u00eentrebare cam a\u015fa: &#8222;- Aaaa, e\u015fti jurist! Zi-mi \u015fi mie cum e cu&#8230;&#8221;. Bre, discu\u0163iile generale merg analizate \u015fi la botul calului&#8230; Da&#8217; alea de la caz la caz, tre&#8217; s\u0103 fermentezi un pic pe ele. Am v\u0103zut destui care au impresia c\u0103 dac\u0103 am terminat dreptul trebuie s\u0103 le \u015ftiu pe toate alea&#8230; A\u015ftept momentul s\u0103 \u00eentreb o dat\u0103, o singur\u0103 dat\u0103, o astfel de persoan\u0103, dac\u0103 s-ar l\u0103sa operat pe creier de un ortoped&#8230;c\u0103 doar au terminat aceea\u015fi facultate, nu? \ud83d\ude00<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0\u00a0 Trec\u00e2nd peste frustr\u0103rile c\u00e2t <strong>Casa Poporului<\/strong>, brusc \u015fi f\u0103r\u0103 o notificare prealabil\u0103, trecem la \u00eentrebarea s\u0103pt\u0103m\u00e2nii, \u00eenm\u00e2nat\u0103 secretarei mele de c\u0103tre <em>Departamentul de Recep\u0163ie Spa\u0163ial \u015fi Atemporal<\/em> al <strong>Revistei Cioburi<\/strong>:<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>&#8222;Salut! Am o problem\u0103 cu un contract [xxxx]. Situa\u0163ia este urm\u0103toarea:<\/p>\n<p>-contractul este f\u0103cut pentru dou\u0103 numere de telefon.<\/p>\n<p>-eu vreu s\u0103 \u00eenchid unul din numere dar este posibil ca cei de la [xxxxx] s\u0103 \u00eemi perceap\u0103 un tarif de \u00eencetare prematur\u0103 a Contractului \u00een cuantum de [nnn]Euro.<\/p>\n<p>-potrivit <strong>legii 161\/2010 <\/strong>(valabil\u0103 din iulie 2010) este posibil s\u0103 reziliez un contract de telefonie f\u0103r\u0103 a mai pl\u0103ti aceast\u0103 tax\u0103 de [nnn] Euro.<\/p>\n<p>Din punctul t\u00eeu de vedere ( juridic) am vreo \u015fans\u0103 \u00een acest sens?<\/p>\n<p>Cu multumiri,<\/p>\n<p>Aristotel Mobilu.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0\u00a0 Am apreciat \u00een primul r\u00e2nd c\u0103 nu mi s-a cerut o p\u0103rere personal\u0103. I-a\u015f fi dat dreptate din prima! Dar cumva mi-a dat de \u00een\u0163eles c\u0103 punctul meu de vedere nu are cum s\u0103 fie altfel dec\u00e2t juridic. Io unu&#8217; a\u015fa a\u015f interpreta formularea (defect profesional&#8230;). Cic\u0103 s\u0103 mai vorbe\u015fti de b\u0103utur\u0103, de femei \u015fi alte alea&#8230;<\/p>\n<p>Deci: omul a vrut o opinie de specialitate&#8230; \u015ei d\u0103-i \u015fi caut\u0103 \u015fi d\u0103-i cu interpretarea peste ochi:<\/p>\n<p>&#8221; Bre, Aristotele (a\u015fa-mi \u00eencep de obicei opiniile- e un soi de semn\u0103tur\u0103, protec\u0163ia dreptului de autor, alea, alea).<\/p>\n<p><strong>Legea 161\/2010<\/strong> modific\u0103 anumite articole din legea <strong>296\/2004<\/strong> privind Codul consumului, respectiv <strong>193\/2000<\/strong> privind clauzele abuzive din contractele \u00eencheiate \u00eentre comercian\u0163i \u015fi consumatori.<\/p>\n<p>Articolul modificat din <strong>legea 296\/2004<\/strong> spune c\u0103: <strong><em><span style=\"text-decoration: underline;\">Dreptul<\/span><\/em><\/strong><em> consumatorului <strong><span style=\"text-decoration: underline;\">la denun\u0163area sau rezilierea contractului <\/span><\/strong><strong><span style=\"text-decoration: underline;\">nu poate fi anulat<\/span><\/strong> sau restr\u00e2ns de nicio  clauz\u0103 contractual\u0103 sau \u00een\u0163elegere \u00eentre p\u0103r\u0163i, \u00een cazurile prev\u0103zute de lege, aceasta fiind considerat\u0103 nul\u0103 de drept. <span style=\"text-decoration: underline;\">Drepturile p\u0103r\u0163ilor referitoare la o just\u0103 desp\u0103gubire nu vor fi afectate \u00een cazul denun\u0163\u0103rii unilaterale<\/span>.<\/em><\/p>\n<p>Adic\u0103, nu \u0163i se poate spune c\u0103 nu ai voie s\u0103 denun\u0163i unilateral contractul. Dar, dac\u0103 denun\u0163i, a\u015fa cum prevede partea a doua a articolului, partenerul contractual are dreptul \u00een continuare la &#8222;o just\u0103 desp\u0103gubire&#8221;.<\/p>\n<p>Ceea ce te ajut\u0103 \u00eens\u0103 un pic este modificarea din <strong>legea 193\/2000<\/strong> care consider\u0103 drept clauz\u0103 abuziv\u0103 prevederea contractual\u0103 prin care <em>comerciantul a impus consumatorului, prin contract, clauze referitoare la plata unei sume fixe \u00een cazul denun\u0163\u0103rii unilaterale.<\/em><\/p>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<p><strong><span style=\"text-decoration: underline;\">\u00cen concluzie<\/span><\/strong>:<\/p>\n<p>Ca la carte, aceste texte s-ar interpreta a\u015fa (ca la cartea pe care a\u015f scrie-o eu, s\u0103 ne \u00een\u0163elegem!): clauza prin care \u0163i s-a impus o sum\u0103 fix\u0103 o po\u0163i ataca, consider\u00e2nd-o abuziv\u0103&#8230;.dar asta nu \u00eenseamn\u0103 ca prestatorul nu-\u015fi poate sus\u0163ine \u00een instan\u0163\u0103 dreptul s\u0103u de a primi &#8222;o just\u0103 desp\u0103gubire&#8221;, cuantumul desp\u0103gubirii urm\u00e2nd a fi stabilit de instan\u0163\u0103. Mai mult, <strong><span style=\"text-decoration: underline;\">sanc\u0163iunea pentru o astfel de clauz\u0103 \u00een contract nu este anularea ei, ci sanc\u0163ionarea contraven\u0163ional\u0103 a comerciantului<\/span><\/strong><span style=\"text-decoration: underline;\">!<\/span> (Art. 16 &#8211; (1) Constituie contraven\u0163ie, \u00een m\u0103sura \u00een care fapta nu este s\u0103v\u00e2r\u015fit\u0103 \u00een astfel de condi\u0163ii \u00eenc\u00e2t, potrivit legii penale, s\u0103 fie considerat\u0103 infrac\u0163iune, \u00eencalcarea interdic\u0163iei stipulate la art. 1 alin. (3) \u015fi se sanc\u0163ioneaz\u0103 cu amend\u0103 de la 200 lei la 1.000 lei.- art 1 alin. 3 preciz\u00e2nd c\u0103: &#8222;(3) Se interzice comercian\u0163ilor stipularea de clauze abuzive \u00een contractele \u00eencheiate cu consumatorii.&#8221;)<\/p>\n<p><strong>\u00a0<\/strong><\/p>\n<p><strong>Recomandare<\/strong>: f\u0103 o adresa c\u0103tre [xxxxx] prin care \u00eei notifici despre inten\u0163ia de denun\u0163are unilateral\u0103 a contractului \u015fi, totodat\u0103, atragi aten\u0163ia c\u0103 tu consideri c\u0103 nu \u00ee\u0163i sunt aplicabile prevederile contractuale despre plata sumei de [nnn] \u00eentruc\u00e2t, prin prisma reglement\u0103rilor legale (\u015fi invoci temeiul legal) aceasta este o clauz\u0103 abuziv\u0103 (dac\u0103 mai aduci vorba \u015fi despre ANPC, parfum!). Fie o s\u0103 fie de acord, fie o s\u0103 vin\u0103 exact cu argumentul de mai sus: legea nu anuleaz\u0103 pevederea din contract, c\u0103 \u00een\u0163elegerea p\u0103r\u0163ilor \u0163ine loc de lege etc&#8230;. (Not\u0103: recomand\u0103rile nu sunt \u00eentotdeauna ortodoxe&#8230; da&#8217; ce, \u0103ilal\u0163ii joac\u0103 cinstit?)&#8221;.<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0\u00a0 Mai are careva curaj s\u0103-mi puna \u00eentreb\u0103ri? \u015ei s\u0103 cear\u0103 punctul meu de vedere? Juridic, de altfel&#8230;<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/ro.netlog.com\/dunare_ro\/blog\" target=\"_blank\">Dun\u0103re.<\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>\u00a0\u00a0 Cel mai CEL al oric\u0103rui grup e IT-istul&#8230; Orice grup are un descurc\u0103re\u0163 de-\u0103sta care-\u0163i \u00eennoad\u0103 \u015fi-\u0163i deznoad\u0103 firele, aplica\u0163iile, \u00ee\u0163i pune la punct antiviru\u015fii&#8230; \u00cen fine, \u00ee\u0163i face scula s\u0103 arate un pic &hellip;<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":11,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[100,103],"tags":[141,248,883,1039,1726,1802,1853,2871,3295],"class_list":["post-8634","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-lege-fara-de-lege","category-promo","tag-abuziv","tag-amenda","tag-contract","tag-denuntare","tag-intrebare","tag-juridic","tag-lege","tag-reziliere","tag-taxa"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/revistacioburi.ro\/revistacioburi\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/8634","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/revistacioburi.ro\/revistacioburi\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/revistacioburi.ro\/revistacioburi\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/revistacioburi.ro\/revistacioburi\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/11"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/revistacioburi.ro\/revistacioburi\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=8634"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"https:\/\/revistacioburi.ro\/revistacioburi\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/8634\/revisions"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/revistacioburi.ro\/revistacioburi\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=8634"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/revistacioburi.ro\/revistacioburi\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=8634"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/revistacioburi.ro\/revistacioburi\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=8634"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}